have been chairman of the house committee, and in terms of the finance committee, senator baccus of montana, who many do not believe is a democrat. independent voters are the most crucial in terms of general elections. as tony said, the legislative process is sausage-making. some good, some bad -- no one will be totally satisfied. but i do think president obama will sign a bill and it will be called "the health care reform bill." not everyone will be happy. but they have been trying to do this since harry truman. guest: the reason that very liberal chairman head committees -- both parties have done an effective job going through redistricting cycles. we re-draw district lines. both republicans and democrats have put keep members in safe districts. --key members in six districts. that is where the longevity comes from. and addressing your the they lead up to these positions and find themselves out of step with members who come from more competitive districts -- and it keeps them in these positions. guest: it is really the incumbent preservation or both parties make a deal -- do not tamper wi